And don’t confuse Arab conquest with Islam! Mu’awiyyah for one, had more Jesuits in his army and navy than Muslims! Muhammad conquered Mecca after being attacked several times without killing anyone in Mecca. Crusaders conquered Jerusalem and killed Jew, Christian and Muslims, sparing no-one… You really need to educate yourself!!

I think you should read it again: only defensive war is allowed! Christians are responsible for the death of about 3 billion people in the past 2,000 years.

Actually, the Lunar calendar like the Gregorian calendar is adjusted on cycles. Remember that there is an extra 1/4 day that must be accounted for. Both do this. The problem with the Lunar Calendar is that the same “month” can vary from the solar solstice up to about +/- at least 15 days (I think it is actually a lot more than that). The same actual date in the lunar calendar might be winter one year and well into spring the next. VERY confusing.

Now, since you brought it up, Islam is NOTHING but a government formed by a radical who gave order to expand and take over the entire globe. It calls itself a “religion” however does not recognize any political boundary, or political power except its OWN LEADERS. I have read the commands in the Quran.

Additionally, if one reads the Quran it instantly becomes evident that Islam is NOT and never has been about peace. Specific orders are given, it is right and just to lie and to steal from infidels, their lives, property and goods are to be taken from them, they shall be put to death if they do not accept Islam. Their children are to be killed or used as slaves along with their women being used as the victor pleases.

yes, I have read it. I have also read the history of Islam’s attacks and expansionism across western and southern Europe and up to Greece, the pillaging, murders, killings, rapes and destruction wrought.Accept Islam or be beheaded. I have also read about the systematic teaching of terrorist tactics and sending of acolytes to cause civil strife and unrest throughout SE Asia and other places since about 700 or so. I know of the horrendous attacks and brutal killings in Africa and in the Philippines and other places where Muslims killed Christian families and took their children as slaves and their daughters to abuse sexually. This is acceptable behavior to Muslims? Apparently as the have been doing it for over 1500 years!

No, if Islam was a religion of peace, the Muslims would RISE UP AND SMITE THE LEADERS THAT TELL THEM TO KILL, MAIM AND MURDER. Muslims would treasure knowledge, even if a woman obtains it. They would not stone her or kill her because she wanted to learn. In fact, if Muslims were truly peaceful they would destroy those who do these things. Instead they support them financially and morally. Instead they wish to place their RELIGIOUS LAW over peoples of other countries, countries that allowed them in…most of whom were escapees from such political attacks as I have described….by other Muslims! Muslims are demanding their laws in OUR country. I say you want your laws, go back to Saudi Arabia.

lastly, do not blame Christians for responding to Muslim expansion It was the Muslims who attacked and took Jerusalem. It was muslims that expanded all the way into Spain, France, even Sardinia and crete, virtually the entire area was taken under arms and innocents killed in the name of YOUR god. Muslims were never attacked or abused until they wanted to force their religion under threat of sword. Take your peaceful religion and go back….into the deserts of Saudi and practice it there and destroy each other…or become a peaceful religion and throw those that aren’t peaceful into the pit of hell yourselves. Don’t make others clean up your messes and don’t preach lies to those that read history.

Bro please don’t confuse islam with greek mythology and baseless allegations.. first of all, there is no room for idolatory in islam… second, there is no such thing as a moon god… I have read some of the missionary propaganda that says Allah is moon god.. well, Allah means “the God” in Arabic language.. just because its not English, doesn’t mean its a different god.. God is one and only almighty, different names are probably His attributes or names in other languages.

Last bark at the caravan.

Judge them ALL, Jaques. They are all complicit in genocide and repression through the ages. The world hardly needed any of them. Sophisticated societies existed well before indoctrinated religion crept in and was later enforced through violence and intimidation. Most if not all ills of this world can be laid squarly at the feet of the big religions whether their “supposed” diffirences are man made. I merely have to sift through history up to the latest news to see that. No need to go read a “holy” book or dosen.

Btw. I’m an equal opportunity discriminator. I dislike all indoctrinated religions. Yours just caught my eye and still is in international media.

“ELOAH. {aleph, lamedh, vav, he.}
Hebrew fundamentally has both masculine and feminine gender phonetic vowel pronunciations for much of its words, besides the words tense, singularity or plurality that affect each word pronunciation.

EL, ELOI, ELAH, ELOH, ELOAH, ELOHIM, ALAH, etc., are use in the over all scripture text as a generic titles not a names. However there is evidence that both the Yahwdim people and Gentiles use them as both masculine and feminine gender names, by a component or a whole persons name.

EL {Strong’s # 410 aleph, lamedh.} as {Strong’s # 416 Beyth-El. beth, yod tav. – aleph, lamedh.}

Most Scholastic Etymology cross references of this word in ancient Hebrew attests that the correct vowel masculine singular syllable pronunciation “EL,” that evolve from the root word “Eh-li,” is in turn a directly derive from {Eval. aleph, vav, lamedh.} meaning “desires to be strong or longed to be in front.” “Eh-li,” is a straight offshoot of {Strong’s # 428 Elh. aleph, lamedh, he.} meaning, “to strive to reach,” from this cause it literally means “HE whom everyone strives to reach,” which is a continual scriptural ideal in “strive to reach for YAHWEH,” is the expected charge of every Yahwdim (Ex. 19:6) as a kingdom of Kohenim is (Ex. 19:22) to Come near to YAHWEH.

EL is a masculine singular noun meaning Almighty as illustrated is the direct derivative form {Eh-li. aleph, yod, lamedh, yod.}, which means “MIGHTY” as in men of high rank and power. (Ezekiel 31: 11) “Mighty-one” {Strong’s # 352, Ey-al. aleph, yod, lamedh.} of the Gentiles,” and as well in (Job 41: 17) “Mighty men” {Elim. aleph, lamedh, yod, mem}. {Strong’s # 419, Eldad. aleph, lamedh, daleth, daleth.} means El has love.

(Gen. 14: 22) “YAHWEH, the most high EL.”

(Gen. 14:18) “EL ELYON” mean the [Most High], and the expression EL ELOYOM [the Most High] and was also applied to YAHWEH Elohim [the Most High]. Melchizedek whose name mean “The King is Justice” is not surprising that this is mentioned in ancient Phoenician records who whore priest of “EL ELYON.”

[e-Li] is found: (Psalm 22:2) “MY Eli, My ELi,”

Eli, is also found in many scriptural names which are compounded from “Eli” plus a Hebrew noun:

Eliezer : my Eli is help (Gen. 15:2)
Elizer : my Eli is a rock (Num. 1:5)
Elieb / Eliev : my Eli is our father (Num. 1:9)
Elimelech : my Eli is king (Ruth 1:2)
Eliel : my Eli is Eli (1 Chronicles 5:24)
Eliyah : my Eli is YAHWEH (2 Kings 1:3)

Eli is the offshoot for numerous names, such as (1 Ch. 12: 21) (Strong’s # 452, EliYahu. aleph, lamedh, yod, he, yod, vav, aleph.) and is distinctly pronounce as EL in Israel. In the scripture Yahwdim are called the SON OF YAHWEH. Actuality in Hebrew there are substantial number of very popular songs with the phrases “my Father my king” a name “son of Eli” and their where numerous persons in the scripture by the name (Strong # 446 Eliy’Ab. aleph, lamedh, yod, ayin, mem.} means “Eli is our Father” and (Strong’s # 463 Eliy’am. aleph, lamedh, yod, aleph, beth.) means “Eli is our Kinsman.” In (Psalms 82:6) Yahwdim are called “The sons of the Most HIGH.”

Within the boundaries of scripture Yahadowt, YAHWEH is foreseen as the MIGHTY (Strong’s # 353, EH-LI. aleph, yod, lamedh, yod.) ELOAH of Israel, in the masculine form and as such have a phonetic “E” masculine vowel sound pronunciation as ELOAH.

(a) EL (Strong’s # 410. aleph, lamedh.) correspondent in the ancient Akkadian language is pronounce “ILU.”

(b) EL Aramaic masculine singular pronunciation is “ELU.”

ELOI (aleph, lamedh, yod.) as (Strong’s 1017 Beyth ha-ELOI. beth yod, tav. He, aleph, lamedh, yod.)

(Mark 15:34) is probably the most quoted Aramaism in the Epistles, being “ELOI, ELOI, Lama Sabakthani.” The people hearing Yahwshua’s words thought He was calling EliYAH (My YAH) (Matthew 27:47 and Mark 15:35-36). In Yahadowtyot ELI is “My EL” is a shortened form of “EliYahw” (My YAHWEH).
http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum1/HTML/002932.html

Your ignorance on the subject runs deep! Firstly, Jesus spoke Aramaic which is a daughter language of Arabic! El/Eli/Elohim/Eloi are original names of Allah the one and only Creator and Sustainer of the universe.
Jesus’s call on the cross: Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachtani is unfortunately the only preserved ‘original’ Aramaic words in the entire NT. And in written form, there is ZERO difference between Eloi, Elohi, Eli and Allah for your information.

Secondly, do not judge Islam by what Muslims do, especially if you do not want me to judge Judaism by Zionism or Christianity by almost 300 years of American warmongering.

The difference between Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam is ENTIRELY man-made, if you had a deeper understanding, you would agree.

Anyway, dogs bark but the caravan moves on…

Ja boet. Right. So the way I’ve read your copy and paste job is this. Some bloke/s (generally Jews/Israelites) makes a prophecy that one day someone great will come along (again) and viola this automatically (because you so want to believe it) becomes Mohammed, who then creates Allah and a religion that has predominantly at the time had an Arabic following. Turning out to generally despise both Jews, Christians and infidels alike (don’t see Christian churches or Jewish synagogues in Islamic Arabic countries, not allowed, and Catholics don’t count because technically they’re not Christian as they pray through idols and the pope is like god on earth, big no-no).

A religious cult that then goes on to deny the Christians their belief that Jesus is the Son of God direct and as such their belief in the Trinity. Jesus then being relegated to just another prophet like Mohammed. Unto the Jews it is then proffered that Yahweh shall now be called Allah. Interesting. I wonder how they feel about that?

So what I have gathered is that the Jews or whom ever (don’t really care whether its Jew or “gentile”) prophesied themselves out of the picture and made their beliefs and their God irrelevant by handing over the reigns to Mohammed and his Allah.

Wow, hard to keep up with all the power struggles amongst the gods. I do hewever get the idea why there is so much struggle amongst humanity. Phew (wiping brow).

Question: If I say that one day a great man will walk through my door, am I making a prophecy, speculating or just sucking on my thumb?

Prophet Muhamed is Prophesied in Hindu, Judaic and Christian books. Denying his prophet-hood (and the manifestation of God in Qur’an)s simply ignorance. In Hindu scripture he is called Avatar. In Deuteronomy 18:15-18, mankind is promised another prophet/king like Moses who will ‘speak only what he hears’. In the Gospels, the priests and Levites approached John (the Baptist) and asked him if he is i) the Messiah; ii) Elijah or iii) THAT prophet!!! Later in John 14, 15 & 16 Jesus repeats the Old Testament prophecy of an Advocate that will come from God who will ‘speak only what he hears’. Ali, the Son of the Father of the Seeker, cousin, son-in-law, heir, trustee and executor of his will and rightful successor of Prophet Mohammed has said: You can only arrive at the Truth if you can imagine the Path you are on is wrong…

the words “islamist”and “jihadists” are new and don’t have any real meaning except that someone added it into certain dictionaries and use it to describe the wrong doing of some people.as a Muslim I have to remember that being a Muslim means submitting to the will of God.when I commit an unIslamic act I am not a Muslim for that moment ,and until I repent and observe true Islamic principles the next moment I cannot call myself a Muslim until then.I hope whoever reads this will take the time to find out what Islam in its true sense demands from us as Muslims. if we learn to distinguish the difference between Islam as a teaching and the evil that people do there will not be a word like “islamists”.jihaad is not only a conflict between people.it can also mean a conflict between myself and my own bad inclinations ,and this is called “jihaadi nafs” the word ” nafs” means my own inclinations. from this we can clearly see how the words jihaad and Islam is misused. words are very important in the world .take for example “Holocaust” I read it means burnt offering .I don’t think Hitler made a burnt offering of the “Jews” , he and his cronies simply murdered millions of people including Jews . the nuclear attack on Hiroshima and Nagasaki where just as bad for the ordinary people on the ground as Hitlers gas chambers and many soldiers on either side where killed so if Holocaust means the destruction of life and peoples lives the whole war was then a holocaust. true Islam teaches the rules of engagement in a conflict situation to the extent that you cannot uproot a tree planted for shade let alone indiscriminate killing of people.the hijacking of words has much to do with perception.the recent slaughter of the babies of “Terrorists” by the Israeli army was met with open disgust by holocaust survivors but many people in Israel endorsed the killing of Palestinian babies and vilified the holocaust survivors for objecting.the word holocaust was given a single meaning ” Jewish” suffering and anything else is defence of Israel at any cost..true Islam does not condone collateral damage,and words have both literal and conceptual meanings.we must be careful with the use of words.
I peters.

I wonder at times if “God” knew or willingly allowed Christians to massacre whole cities in the wake of promoting “His” belief. Probably. After all, “He” did allow the Jews to do the same as they entered the “promised land”.

The same way I’m inclined to wonder how “He” came to allow Islam “extremists” to indoctrinated/force a child to strap a bomb to his:er back and blow themselves up in a crowded marketplace!?

Just asking, btw. Please don’t give me the argument of “free will” and “free choice”. None chose to be here and none of us “chose” this inherently violent reality. Indoctrination has an immense effect, so choice becomes almost non-existent. So the question arrives as to why God would allow such grotesque inhumanity if “He” knew it was going to occur!?

Then again. What can we expect from a God that becomes angry, jealous and vengeful. Sounds pretty much like what humans are. In “His” likeness and all… Yet, you all will be judged…

What happens if one does not want to have anything to do with all this shyte. Will we be absolved and have our own little place to squat, or will we be judged for not giving a shyte. Where is the “choice” in all that again?

Mohammed sucked the idea of Allah from his thumb whilst sitting in a cave after having been exposed to many cultures and their religion. Islam is a metamorphis of pagan belief with Judeo-Chritiansm and Asian twisted with what Mohammed valued during his time, which was conquer, mass murder, slavery and especially sex slavery. Today it is hardly discussed umongst followers unlike Judeo-Christianism, for fear of intimidation, even death (truly a mideval belief system). A death cult of note. Repressive and more archaic than the religions it sponged/parasited and stole from. Fear and repression keeps them going. Why teach an African/whoever the scripst in Arabic but not teach them the language? Darkness, should be the first warning.

Aah. The pro-patriarchs. Worst of them the indoctrinated female.

“Strange” (?!) how “He” (God), chose virtually only males to convey “His” word whilst villifying women to such an extent, that even today women are deemed less than males . Never mind the mass death males has wrought on humanity and the greedy destruction of “mother nature”.

But hey, was this not predicted by viewing the outfall of the greedy male influence over time/ancient times … Or, was/is it all God inspired? After all, God has to kill somehow to get you back upstairs in heaven or hell?

Ever heard of the “Mini-Me Syndrome”? The most basic form of barbarism projection. The irresistible need to equate oneself to a higher being or existence for things to make sense. After all, one should have an origin? Why not some imaginary God that has almost the same attributes as a human yet above and yet morally beyond.

Big difference between spiritual, being a good person and the clinging to an indoctrinated belief in a “Mini-Me-Max” ideology. Especially the types that have caused and will probably cause the destruction of Earth.

Btw. Multi generations of bird can be found going to the same rock to clean their beaks. The same way as fish know which cove to better catch their pray. Humans are as easily indoctrinated. Belief in whatever system is learned. Please attempt to diswayde a Muslim/Jew/Christian/Catholic/Hindu/Pagan to change his/her belief and see how far you get.

Yes true but they were inspired by God through THE Holy spirit

Sarcasm and insults are the manner in which Atheists respond to something they have no answer for.
Are you one or does Islamists also follow that pathetic route

Excuse me Ishaaq – men are stronger? Bigger maybe, but not stronger. Women live longer, for one. Strength is about so much more than a person’s size. It strikes me as pure arrogance that men would create their god in their own image.

Ishaaq. When you force people to recite and learn the Quaran in Aramaic alone you merely create a bunch of zombies that do not even have the means to explore their belief or evolve and question it. It remains the reason why terror groups can manipulate its newcomers to hights of sick violence. Frankly, it remains thee way to suppress its followers and maintain a stronghold on others.

Islam is the worst of archaic religious systems that prey on peoples weaknesses and ignorance, leaving societies in a perpetual deathtrap whilst exacerbates infinite ignorance and backward thinking, eternal suffering and repression.

Islam is and remains an evil repressive system of thought. Nothing good has come of this religious theory, nothing. At least the Judeo evolved into Christianity and itself into the Protestant (however destructive and repressive, yet better, sort-off). Islam has become yet another scourge upon earth. Something to be removed along with secular sexist patriarchism and its “supported” Judeo-Christian manipulation.

Time for “pragmatism” and less repressive religion that have and are causing this world to bleed in a special kind os way. Some with the archaic.

first of all the Qur’an was translated into many languages including English and the original Arabic text should always accompany any translated volume.because of the complexity of the Arabic language no translation effort can truly do justice to the Quran. we Muslims refer to God as he because male is the stronger gender .it has nothing to with discrimination and God does not claim to have any gender.those who read the english translation will also see that when God speaks of himself the word We” is used as a form of respect as the singular diacription is a lesser one .it may sound confusing but again English was not the chosen language for the Quran so any translation effort by us as creation can be misunderstood.not even the Arab can simply analyze the Quran you need people with deep knowledge as translation is not simply enough.I cannot speak for the bible or the current version of the Torah.

Adam. All very impressive. However. As a solely patriarchal archaic belief system it has also caused immense misery along with its counterpart Islam with its wars, mass murder, repression, slavery and discrimination. The Bible and its forbears the Hebrew scripts were written by men, placing emphasis on the male. God is prescribed as male, “He” being used because there was no description for God (convenient). God the Father automatically translated later to the man being the head of the household, head of company and number one overall in society. I won’t be surprised if the Holy Ghost isn’t viewed as male as well. Adam, first created and Eve below him from his rib. All the prophets, male. The deciples, male. Most of the woman described in the Bible? Whores, deceivers, dirty or a witch worthy only of bearing children and being subjects. Today we have an unequal society where women in Western society are still deemed as below the male, earning less and having less respect, whilst many perform better in their positions than their male counterparts. On top of that, they still have to hold house and raise the kids. On the Mid-Eastern front the situation is even more sickening with women and girls denied education or work (no dignity), relegating them mere baby making machines with no rights. The patriarchal Abrahamistic (whether Islam isn’t really one according to some makes no difference as they believe they are) was enforced on the world with the sword, torture and mass death (even today). In closing. Much of the wonder you speak of in the Bible was a result of Meso-Babylonian and Egyptian origin. Not to even mention the Persian, Phonetian, Roman and ancient Greek influence. Just a small point. If the Egyptians had no three dimensional cognisance, the pyramids would not exist and neither would the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and these blokes all pre-date Judaism and they along with Phonetians were the originators of script. But then again, these societies were created for a reason and then made to fall? So that today we have the Jewish lobby holding a proverbial American missile at the head of a world teetering on the brink of collapse from the Mid-East. (I’m no anti-semite, just anti-Jewish international policies)

Well said Julies… The most humane, logical and intelligent comment posted here so far! Thank you!

HWE, if only Christians took the Bible absolutely literally.
Jesus said to love ones enemy, to bless those who curse you, to do good deeds for those who persecute you.

Nowhere do I see Jesus telling us that by taking a gun and shooting some poor mother’s 19 year old son through the head, that this constitutes Christian love.

Perhaps someone can post chapter and verse from the New Testament that permits a Christian to go to war and kill his enemy. Cos my Bible seems to be a few verses lite.

Atheism is the default setting of all new born babies. God is something a child discovers as he/she grows and matures into a human being capable of spiritual understanding and reasoning, something an animal is incapable of.

What amazes me is that there are adults who haven’t progressed spiritually past the default settings of an infant.
Perhaps like those who on the physical realm are born deaf and/or blind, some babies are born with the spiritual version of these physical afflictions? Resulting in spiritually challenged adults.

One can no more explain to a spiritually challenged person the magnificence of God, than one can explain to a blind person the beauty of a rainbow, or to a deaf person the sound of a full philharmonic orchestra.

Lorrie there is disharmony in what you are saying.

You claim “Jews and Muslims had Pagan beliefs before the origin of their respective faiths”
And that “Abraham originally worshipped multiple Gods in Ur and brought his Gods with him before he discovered the one being who presented himself as the only God.”

Thus, by the time the Jewish nation originated through the patriarch Jacob as the Twelve Tribes of Israel, pagan worship had not been practiced by two generations of Abraham’s descendents prior to the nations founding.
Thus, Judaism never had pagan beliefs nor did it originate out of pagan beliefs.

Ah Sean, the only reason you think God did not dictate the Bible is because you do not understand it. If you did, you would know that no human, and certainly no human living 3500 years ago, could ever have written it.

Allow me to provide one example using the opening verse of the Bible, Genesis 1:1.

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Where-
Beginning = Time, composed of past, present and future.
Heavens = Space, composed of breadth, depth and width.
Earth = Matter, composed of gas, liquid and solid.

In the very first verse God informs us that He is creating a three dimensional universe of time, space and matter. How long did it take secular man to realize that we lived in a three dimensional universe? Either Moses was super brilliant, or he wrote down what God dictated, as Moses claims to have done.

That first verse also explains the Trinity. A verse in itself containing a trinity of trinities.

When you shine a beam of light through a glass prism, you get the seven visible rays of the light spectrum, aka a rainbow.
When you shine the Godhead through the prism of creation, you get the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Why three? Because we live in a three dimensional universe. Outside of creation, God is uni-dimensional, one God represented in three forms (persons) by the prism of creation.

From front to back and from back to front, the Bible has internal harmony.
For a book that traces the dynasty of Adam and Eve over 4500 years till their descendent Jesus. A book composed of 66 booklets, written by 40 different authors, over a period of 1600 years, in three different languages. The Bible is unique, not one other man written collection of book is like it or compares to it. The Bibles uniqueness proves that man is incapable of having written it. If man had such a capability, Bible type books would be ten-a-penny.

If you can find me just one single other multiple booklet book written by various men that compares to the Bible, a book without error containing multiple scientific facts, historical facts, medical facts, astrological facts, cosmic facts, geological facts, biological facts, and lets not forget about prophetical facts, then perhaps I can believe that God did not write it, but till then, your claim is that of ignorance of the book you are dissing.

Deon, sorry you did not understand what Jenny wrote. She makes a wonderful insight with the following:
“that somebody died because they were different from you, in what they did or believed or were or wore, not because they were the same. ”

Now that is deep and very true.

And please Deon, turn off your caps lock, its very irritating trying to read your comments in capital letters. If you cannot see the non capital letters on your monitor, decrease your screens resolution or buy glasses.

Monotheism is a compound word used to describe a system of worship, where mono means one or single and theism means belief in a deity, from the Greek word Theos meaning God.
Thus monotheism means the worship of a single/one God.
Judaism is the first monotheistic religion on record.

Jesus never told his family to go to Egypt. When Joseph and Mary fled there to escape Herod, Jesus was still a baby in diapers.

And lastly, what sun symbols are associated with Jesus? I’ve seen a fish symbol, a wooden cross symbol, even a manger scene, but a sun symbol, not yet.

Some corrections to you rant.
1- the Gregorian calender is a solar calender based on a 365.25 day revolution of the earth around the sun and is certainly very accurate. A lunar calender is a 360 day calender based on the moon’s revolution around the earth. Which is why your ramadan never happens at the same time of year and occurs in different seasons.
2- not sure why you expect there to be a Bible in Jesus’s original language. Jesus never wrote the New Testament, His disciples did in the linga franca of that time period and region where they were missionaries, namely koine Greek.
3- the name Jesus is the English version of the Greek Isus, which is the Greek version of the Hebrew name Yeshua which translates into English as ‘God Saves’.

Before you criticize another religion, at least have the courtesy to read up about it, that way you will not appear so ignorant.

As far as Islam goes,
1- there is no genealogical record linking Mohammed to Ishmael who married and Egyptian and not a Medianite, (the name of the ancient people of Arabia)
2- certainly the black stone in the kaaba that you all prostrate yourselves to five times a day appears very idol worshippy.
3- Ishmael was the son of Abram the uncircumcised and not a son of Abraham the circumcised like Isaac (Isak) so the claim to be an Abrahamic faith must be questioned
4- archeological evidence suggests that allah was the name of an ancient moon god idol, which if so, would make Islam a mono-idol religion and not a mono-theistic religion.
Support for this lies in the fact that Mohammed’s pagan idol worshiping grandfather named Mohammed’s pagan idol worshiping father – Abdullah – which means servant of Allah, proving that pagan Arabs worshiped Allah long before Mohammed was even born.

Additional proof of Islam being a pagan religion that is mono-idol, i.e. pagans who worship a single idol as opposed to multiple idols, is the word ramadan, a non Arabic word of possibly Hindu origin where the word Rama is another name for Krishna.
Thus Ramadan would mean a fast period dedicated to Lord Rama, an idol still worshiped by Hindus.
The haj (pilgrimage) to Mecca was practiced by pagans prior to Mohammed and is still a feature of Islam.

The more one studies Islam in relation to Hinduism, the more one sees the true roots of Islam emerging. Mohammed’s plagiarism of Jewish and Christian Bible stories does not qualify Islam as an Abrahamic faith nor as an monotheistic faith, so long as Islam continues to practice the old pagan rituals of the idol worshiping religion upon which it is founded whilst still worshiping the old moon god idol, Allah.

Not true. In Islam, Allah is not supreme God from 360 pagen Gods in fact, Allah is like Judaisim G-d. It says in Quran, “.. He neither has babies nor is born from someone. He has no equivalent”

Hi Shu, what we call logic is what makes sense to us, based on what we know. When you consider that we are beings of limited perceptions, and that we are barely at the beginning of understanding the nature of reality, then what we call “logic” does not always serve us. In this case we are left with only our gut sense and our imagination. Thanks for the nice comment!

Christina, its a beautiful theory, but defies logic a bit. Before we discount logic, lets assume your theory to be true. For something to traverse from theory to truth, there has to be logic. It is how we humans are built. Even love has a logicness about it. If somebody behaves in a certain way, no matter how much they say they love you, logic will tell you they do not. In the same way, there is no logical sense that we were just created out of love. Then there is no purpose.
Try this for a theory. There is a God. Just One. He created everything we know and things we don’t know. Why did he create all of this? He is the One, and can do as He pleases. In this theory, this One unique being is free from all needs. He created some beings with the ability to make choices, and others that do not have that ability. He loves these beings that can make choices. He wants to see if they will appreciate what He has created, and if they will be grateful. Why? It is something we cannot do. All that we create cannot be grateful to us. Computers, machines, theories, they cannot even turn back and say thank you. But this One being has created a truly independent being, that can make the choice. For the beings that are grateful, there is reward. After all, this One being is unique, free from need, but wants recognition from something truly independent. That’s us as far as we know.

The Moon is just…a moon. It was then and it still is.

And you read this on which Wikipedia page. You might as well say that Jacob is a Grey and Barack is a Reptilian and on weekends they meet for cattle mutilations. Freedom of speech is one thing but just being an idiot is quite another.

Ignorance is bliss!

The Christian Passover naturally grew out of the Jewish Passover as the Lord’s Day grew out of the Sabbath; the paschal lamb being regarded as a prophetic type of Christ, the Lamb of God slain for our sins (1 Cor. 5:7, 8), and the deliverance from the bondage of Egypt as a type of the redemption from sin. It is certainly the oldest and most important annual festival of the church, and can be traced back to the first century, or at all events to the middle of the second, when it was universally observed, though with a difference as to the day, and the extent of the fast connected with it.

This is not a date aligned to pagan celebrations but a date aligned to the Jewish date of Passover without being directly tied to it. The month of Nisan is a spring month and should rightly fall after the vernal equinox within a solar year. Thus, Christ’s Resurrection was in the spring. Knowing the moon has a 28-day cycle, the full moon would be comparable to the fourteenth day since the Jewish month began with the new moon. So the Sunday following this full moon would approximate the day of the Resurrection—the focus of the feast. The Easter celebration was assigned a date that corresponded to the Jewish Passover but was not necessarily tied to its date. With this calculation, the date of Easter is a movable date that may fall between March 22 and April 25 in our current calendar.

The date we celebrate today is a reasonable approximation of the Resurrection of Christ with no connection to pagan festivals. The sun and the moon are merely useful to measure time, and are incidental to the timing of the event, since Passover is the timing focus of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Passover Lamb of God. It is the relationship to the events at a particular time of year that counts.

Christianity does base some of its calendar on the moon. Check again!

In Judaism there are 613 laws and they are continually being evolved not regurgitated.

There is this common myth around “we were only left with 10 laws” that keeps getting regurgitated. Take the time read the Bible fully and you will find a well structured set of laws governing economics, health and much more.

Geez Deon, that was kind of harsh. Guess that will teach me to share my thoughts.

Hi there Deon, you said some very powerful things there and I feel much the same way. A lot of people say that they believe in God without having a very clear idea of just who, or what God is. To my way of thinking, God is the force of love in the universe. He is much more than just a person. We are just at the barest beginning of our scientific evolution, so we don’t understand much yet about our physical reality. What I believe is this : it is the love that is God that manifests itself as all of the objects and beings in our existence. The love energy is so powerful that it bubbles up out of the ether and becomes ourselves, and everything that is around us. How’s that for a theory?

EXCUSE ME, BUT WHAT EXACTLY, IN PLAIN AND SIMPLE ENGLISH, DID SHE ACTUALLY SAY OR IS SHE PRACTICING TO BE A POLITICIAN WHO USES MANY FLOWERY WORDS AND PHRASES AND MUCH TIME TO SAY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THE END? JUST ASKING!