Comments on: Darwin clashes with the Quran and internet filters in Turkey

By: Quran With Translation

Quran With Translation — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:32:12 +0000

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By: Julia Harte

Julia Harte — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:16:36 +0000

Sorry this comment is late; I’d tried to post it a few days ago, but it didn’t appear for some reason.

@ Dr_GS_Hurd: That’s the option for voting to make the site accessible from the family and child profiles. Sorry again on the lateness!

@ Onursal Erol & Stu: Though the original piece was indeed published in December, not all of the formerly blocked sites had been taken down by the beginning of this month (as I said in the piece, aboutdarwin.com and darwin-online.org.uk were two that were still banned in the child profile). If those are now un-banned (which I can’t see because I’ve already checked my 10 sites), that’s wonderful – it means the voting process is working! And Stu: could you post the news article where the Turkish minister in charge of internet filtering acknowledged a mistake had been made? I’m amazed….

By: GerryC

GerryC — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 07:59:38 +0000

Ha, ha. Very funny, Scott_G!
150 years of evolutionary research overturned by 700 pictures that claim (without any scientific backing) to discredit evolution.
Seriously, are you POE?

By: Karin Kloosterman

Karin Kloosterman — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:27:07 +0000

In reply to Stu. Good to know it's been resolved. The fact that it's an opt-in question, should still be an issue here.

By: Stu

Stu — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 07:25:07 +0000

Only several weeks behind the curve… this news was published before Xmas and has been resolved. The Turkish ministry in charge of internet filtering acknowledged a mistake had been made ad unblocked several key words that were at issue. Anyway, the intenrent filters are opt in only and other sites blocked generally in Turkey by law can be accessed using alternate DNS nos or an edited etc/hosts file. Storm in a teacup in this instance, though I do acknowledge the issue with pressure from the creatonist lobby in Turkey, though it is as evident in the US as it is in Turkey.

By: Karin Kloosterman

Karin Kloosterman — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:25:29 +0000

In reply to Dr_GS_Hurd. Yes Julia, please do.

By: Dr_GS_Hurd

Dr_GS_Hurd — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 03:55:38 +0000

Julia Harte’s information regardig the “vote” process on the was very interesting. It would be helpful if she would translate;

“Aile ve Çocuk Profillerinde ERİŞİLSİN”

By: Dr_GS_Hurd

Dr_GS_Hurd — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 03:36:42 +0000

Over a decade ago, I was approached by a Turkish student’s group worried about the creationist nonsense being promoted by “Harun Yahya.” I looked at the publications by this creationist, and I found that they were known frauds merely copied from fundamentalist Christian publications. These false claims had been debunked long before there were Muslim creationists. For example, I recommend reading the materials at TalkOrigins. The “29 evidences for Evolution:” http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/index.html or “An Index to Creationist Claims:” http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/index.html

These are entirely adequate to dismiss all of “Harun Yahya’s” creationist lies.

For a competent historical, and theological examination of Islamic creationism, I recommend Taner Edis, “An Illusion of Harmony: Science and Religion in Islam” (2007 Amherst: Prometheus Books).

By: Onursal Erol

Onursal Erol — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:49:14 +0000

As a turkish citizen I was furious when I read this piece. So I decided to give a piece of my mind, even organise all my friends and family to do the same aginst it. However the information is not true, at least as of now. Maybe the source was this article incorrect, or maybe it was correct but then they changed it early in the game. I researched and there seems to be other articles around like this one, some of them specify the inaccessible sites, all of which are accesible in child mode. Just thought I’d make an update.

By: Karin Kloosterman

Karin Kloosterman — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:38:38 +0000

Religious Jews in Israel have similar filtering systems going so far as to blot out any possible reference to evolution in kids books, etc. You certainly won’t find mention of evolution in papers like Hamodia. But religious families, very religious ones, don’t let their kids use the Internet at all.

Raised as a Christian, and a student of Catholic School in high school, we were also taught that evolution doesn’t really fit with the model of Christian thought. My science teacher, a lunatic really – God what was his name? – found a work around that worked with my worldview. He said that before man was created, a day was not necessarily the same length of time as it is now. If God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th I can see why this might be a difficult idea to teach to kids. But to ban evolution on the Internet?