Comments on: Durban May Agree on Green Climate Fund, Overriding US Republicans

By: Dan from Ohio

Dan from Ohio — Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:17:10 +0000

Wasn’t it that Democrat Joe Manchin that shot the climate change bill in his ad for re-election? Besides, if you want to see true bipartisanship, look at the Byrd-Hagel resolution. It said that it was not the sense of the Senate to ratify Kyoto (aka they voted down) 95-0. Good luck getting 67 senators to ratify what ever junk comes out from the UN. You’re going to need it

By: Dan

Dan — Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:58:59 +0000

“As a result, the sparse voters in the 12 empty fossil states like Wyoming, North Dakota and Alaska have up to 68 times the voting voice of the much better informed voters with real media choice in the advanced clean tech states like California. The disproportionate power of the “barefoot and ignorant” rural voter is baked into the system.”

Just to update you. Those “barefoot and ignorant” people who live in the “empty” states live there, because there are fewer people like yourself living there. Perhaps those educated people in California should figure out a way to dispose of the brown cloud that hangs over LA and how to save their bankrupt state government. THe EU signed the Kyoto accords? But aren’t they bankrupt also?

Green technologies will be successful when they are economically feasible. Solar cells are made with heavy metals and arsenic, and degrade over time. Sound “green” to you? Go to the Phillipines sometime and see the pollution they are causing. They should be paying into a fund to clean up the environment, not countries like the US who has relatively little pollution.

Those “better informed” people living in urban areas, may be more educated in the art of living off the government but they don’t have a clue on environmental policy. Alienating your “barefoot and ignorant” readers is not the act of someone “better informed”.

Signed,
Barefoot and ignorant in Colorado

By: Maurice

Maurice — Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:47:35 +0000

Only problem I see with the Durban conference is that too much attention has been given to “Israel bashing” instead of concentrating towards trying to save the planet.

By: Susan Kraemer

Susan Kraemer — Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:20:13 +0000

Karin: heh.

By: Susan Kraemer

Susan Kraemer — Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:19:43 +0000

I could not agree with you more, Nichol: ” Is it not time to allow countries with carbon pricing to protect their industry with a carbon tariff, proportional to carbon price differentials, and embedded energy/carbon in traded goods? It would allow the ‘good guys’ to make their carbon pricing mechanism actually work. It would also protect their industry, somewhat, and stimulate them to invest in innovation, in stead of moving to countries that don’t price carbon.”

and we are seeing the beginning of that, in Minnesota’s carbon tax on neighboring state ND coal power, the EU rules on airlines that have to pay into the ETS, and in France’s suggestion to start taxing imports from China and the US.

By: Norm

Norm — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 16:02:32 +0000

Former Governor of Alabama, George Corely Wallace, once gave an appropriate statement regarding the outcome of the War Between the States, otherwise known as The Civil War, and what resulted in all that “ignorance”: “There were good folk on both sides – cept there more of them than there was of us”.

By: Karin Kloosterman

Karin Kloosterman — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:44:10 +0000

In reply to LOL. Maybe she is one.

By: LOL

LOL — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 03:55:39 +0000

Susan, you would make a REALLY good KGB Agent

By: Nichol

Nichol — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 00:56:00 +0000

How should the EU and other places with a carbon pricing mechanism do? If they are to increase the price to a value that matters, they will either kill their energy-intensive industries, or force them to migrate to the dirty countries like China and the US. What can be done to level the playing field, and allow the ‘good guys’ to increase carbon pricing to levels that matter, and drive technology in the necessary corners? Is it not time to allow countries with carbon pricing to protect their industry with a carbon tariff, proportional to carbon price differentials, and embedded energy/carbon in traded goods? It would allow the ‘good guys’ to make their carbon pricing mechanism actually work. It would also protect their industry, somewhat, and stimulate them to invest in innovation, in stead of moving to countries that don’t price carbon.

.. and, who knows? Would it also help nudge americans to rethink carbon pricing and ways to decarbonize the economy?