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		By: Patricia L Pineiro		</title>
		<link>https://www.greenprophet.com/2009/07/climate-refugee-underground-desert/#comment-1030619</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patricia L Pineiro]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[awesome thinking...impressive!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awesome thinking&#8230;impressive!!</p>
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		By: Elle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am very, very interested in this design and the environmental ideas/ideal behind it. I&#039;ve been through tons of designs for sustainable living over the last 30 yrs trying to determine what will work best for my purposes. This, actually, was one of my designs. The greenhouse accessibility on a top level as well as a separate, but connected area for egg producing foul was among the best. One could live anywhere a good well could be drilled that produces plentiful water. Are there any further drawings or detailed info on this plan? I&#039;d like to know what materials are suggested for the exterior, how the system room would be set up, how many stories are optimum and so on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very, very interested in this design and the environmental ideas/ideal behind it. I&#8217;ve been through tons of designs for sustainable living over the last 30 yrs trying to determine what will work best for my purposes. This, actually, was one of my designs. The greenhouse accessibility on a top level as well as a separate, but connected area for egg producing foul was among the best. One could live anywhere a good well could be drilled that produces plentiful water. Are there any further drawings or detailed info on this plan? I&#8217;d like to know what materials are suggested for the exterior, how the system room would be set up, how many stories are optimum and so on.</p>
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		By: Danny Bloom		</title>
		<link>https://www.greenprophet.com/2009/07/climate-refugee-underground-desert/#comment-3518</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny Bloom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Danny,

I left a comment on your Greenprophet post on UDLU, but it didn&#039;t show up yet, or immediately. I guess it is set up for comment moderation. Anyway, I hope it shows up -- I included several links to stories that I have come across in my UDLU research.

Hope all is well on your side of the globe. It&#039;s been raining cats and dogs in NYC.

Cheers,
Reynard Loki]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Danny,</p>
<p>I left a comment on your Greenprophet post on UDLU, but it didn&#8217;t show up yet, or immediately. I guess it is set up for comment moderation. Anyway, I hope it shows up &#8212; I included several links to stories that I have come across in my UDLU research.</p>
<p>Hope all is well on your side of the globe. It&#8217;s been raining cats and dogs in NYC.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Reynard Loki</p>
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		By: Reynard Loki		</title>
		<link>https://www.greenprophet.com/2009/07/climate-refugee-underground-desert/#comment-3517</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reynard Loki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here are some interesting snippets of my recent research. Any comments/suggestions  would be greatly appreciated. Contact me at reynardloki@gmail.com.

1) &quot;Growing Food in a Desert City Using Rainwater and Urban Runoff,&quot; Brad Lancaster, Chelsea Green Publishing, July 11, 2009, http://www.alternet.org/water/141141/growing_food_in_a_desert_city_using_rainwater_and_urban_runoff_/

2) &quot;Subdivisions,&quot; Ross Racine, July 28, http://www.swiss-miss.com/2009/07/subdivisions.html
&quot;New York artist Ross Racine creates aerial views of fictional suburbs, examining the relation between design and actual lived experience.&quot; I thought that this kind of layout could be useful in developing UDLU communities.

3) &quot;Europe Eyes Africa for Solar Power,&quot; Paul Voosen, Scientific American, July 22, http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=solar-thermal-power-europe-meditteranean-sea&#038;sc=DD_20090722
&quot;By 2050, massive solar thermal plants, which concentrate the sun&#039;s energy using mirrors to heat steam-generating media, would sprawl across the Sahara and Middle East.&quot; If so, these locales would be perfect places for UDLU communities.

4) &quot;Why Our Next Fuel Source May Come from Our Own Waste,&quot; Greg Breining, Yale Environment 360, July 13, http://www.alternet.org/water/141209/why_our_next_fuel_source_may_come_from_our_own_waste/
Using your own waste to help fuel your UDLU! Awesome.

5) &quot;Rain Zone Moving North,&quot; Christie Nicholson, Scientific American, July 2, http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=rain-zone-moving-north-09-07-02&#038;sc=DD_20090702
&quot;the now arid Galapagos Islands had a very wet climate about 400 years ago.&quot; Looks like UDLUs will be more necessary in the southern climes.

6) &quot;Migration and climate change: A new (under) class of travellers,&quot; The Economist, June 25, http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13925906
&quot;Victims of a warming world may be caught in a bureaucratic limbo unless things are done to ease—and better still, pre-empt—their travails.&quot;

7) &quot;Green Power Takes Root in the Chinese Desert,&quot; Keith Bradsher, July 2, New York Times, http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/business/energy-environment/03renew.html
&quot;This oasis town deep in the Gobi Desert along the famed Silk Road and the surrounding wilderness of beige sand dunes and vast gravel wastelands has become a center of China’s drive to lead the world in wind and solar energy.&quot;

8) &quot;New Washing Machine Uses Only 1 Cup of Water,&quot; Alastair Jamieson, The Telegraph (UK), June 25, http://www.alternet.org/water/140818/new_washing_machine_uses_only_1_cup_of_water_/
&quot;The appliance, which could save billions of litres of water a year, has been developed at the University of Leeds.&quot;

For a regularly updated list of related articles, check www.udlu.org.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some interesting snippets of my recent research. Any comments/suggestions  would be greatly appreciated. Contact me at <a href="mailto:reynardloki@gmail.com">reynardloki@gmail.com</a>.</p>
<p>1) &#8220;Growing Food in a Desert City Using Rainwater and Urban Runoff,&#8221; Brad Lancaster, Chelsea Green Publishing, July 11, 2009, <a href="http://www.alternet.org/water/141141/growing_food_in_a_desert_city_using_rainwater_and_urban_runoff_/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.alternet.org/water/141141/growing_food_in_a_desert_city_using_rainwater_and_urban_runoff_/</a></p>
<p>2) &#8220;Subdivisions,&#8221; Ross Racine, July 28, <a href="http://www.swiss-miss.com/2009/07/subdivisions.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.swiss-miss.com/2009/07/subdivisions.html</a><br />
&#8220;New York artist Ross Racine creates aerial views of fictional suburbs, examining the relation between design and actual lived experience.&#8221; I thought that this kind of layout could be useful in developing UDLU communities.</p>
<p>3) &#8220;Europe Eyes Africa for Solar Power,&#8221; Paul Voosen, Scientific American, July 22, <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=solar-thermal-power-europe-meditteranean-sea&#038;sc=DD_20090722" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=solar-thermal-power-europe-meditteranean-sea&#038;sc=DD_20090722</a><br />
&#8220;By 2050, massive solar thermal plants, which concentrate the sun&#8217;s energy using mirrors to heat steam-generating media, would sprawl across the Sahara and Middle East.&#8221; If so, these locales would be perfect places for UDLU communities.</p>
<p>4) &#8220;Why Our Next Fuel Source May Come from Our Own Waste,&#8221; Greg Breining, Yale Environment 360, July 13, <a href="http://www.alternet.org/water/141209/why_our_next_fuel_source_may_come_from_our_own_waste/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.alternet.org/water/141209/why_our_next_fuel_source_may_come_from_our_own_waste/</a><br />
Using your own waste to help fuel your UDLU! Awesome.</p>
<p>5) &#8220;Rain Zone Moving North,&#8221; Christie Nicholson, Scientific American, July 2, <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=rain-zone-moving-north-09-07-02&#038;sc=DD_20090702" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=rain-zone-moving-north-09-07-02&#038;sc=DD_20090702</a><br />
&#8220;the now arid Galapagos Islands had a very wet climate about 400 years ago.&#8221; Looks like UDLUs will be more necessary in the southern climes.</p>
<p>6) &#8220;Migration and climate change: A new (under) class of travellers,&#8221; The Economist, June 25, <a href="http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13925906" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13925906</a><br />
&#8220;Victims of a warming world may be caught in a bureaucratic limbo unless things are done to ease—and better still, pre-empt—their travails.&#8221;</p>
<p>7) &#8220;Green Power Takes Root in the Chinese Desert,&#8221; Keith Bradsher, July 2, New York Times, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/business/energy-environment/03renew.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/business/energy-environment/03renew.html</a><br />
&#8220;This oasis town deep in the Gobi Desert along the famed Silk Road and the surrounding wilderness of beige sand dunes and vast gravel wastelands has become a center of China’s drive to lead the world in wind and solar energy.&#8221;</p>
<p>8) &#8220;New Washing Machine Uses Only 1 Cup of Water,&#8221; Alastair Jamieson, The Telegraph (UK), June 25, <a href="http://www.alternet.org/water/140818/new_washing_machine_uses_only_1_cup_of_water_/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.alternet.org/water/140818/new_washing_machine_uses_only_1_cup_of_water_/</a><br />
&#8220;The appliance, which could save billions of litres of water a year, has been developed at the University of Leeds.&#8221;</p>
<p>For a regularly updated list of related articles, check <a href="http://www.udlu.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.udlu.org</a>.</p>
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		By: Danny Bloom		</title>
		<link>https://www.greenprophet.com/2009/07/climate-refugee-underground-desert/#comment-3513</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny Bloom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reynard Loki in NYC has now seen this post and I hope he will post some updates on what is going on with this UDLU idea and some links, too. I have heard that the New York Times DOT EARTH blog is interested in underground living ideas for climate issues, and Mr Loki&#039;s ideas might get written up there in future, too. But this story first appeared here. Bravo, Greenprophet, for getting this story going....

Maurice, I don&#039;t think UDLUs are for everyone or even intended for mass migration living. But it is an interesting concept and the design is cool.

Who&#039;s your cousin? Names! names!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reynard Loki in NYC has now seen this post and I hope he will post some updates on what is going on with this UDLU idea and some links, too. I have heard that the New York Times DOT EARTH blog is interested in underground living ideas for climate issues, and Mr Loki&#8217;s ideas might get written up there in future, too. But this story first appeared here. Bravo, Greenprophet, for getting this story going&#8230;.</p>
<p>Maurice, I don&#8217;t think UDLUs are for everyone or even intended for mass migration living. But it is an interesting concept and the design is cool.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s your cousin? Names! names!</p>
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		By: Maurice Picow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maurice Picow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Human nature is what it is , hon; especially in a place like Oklahoma - even with all them tornados !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human nature is what it is , hon; especially in a place like Oklahoma &#8211; even with all them tornados !</p>
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		By: Karin Kloosterman		</title>
		<link>https://www.greenprophet.com/2009/07/climate-refugee-underground-desert/#comment-3514</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karin Kloosterman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How much does he want for it? Maybe he hasn&#039;t yet found the right kind of buyers!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much does he want for it? Maybe he hasn&#8217;t yet found the right kind of buyers!</p>
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		By: Maurice Picow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maurice Picow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Living underground is not really the answer, however. My cousin built the modern version of &quot;that little old sod shanty on the plains&quot; in Norman Oklahoma about 25 years ago; in which only one side is exposed.

While it is great for cooling in the summer and warmth in the winter (he also has a Franklin Stove to provide heat), trying to sell that place is a bit problematic, as he has found out - it&#039;s like selling the land, and throwing in the house for free!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living underground is not really the answer, however. My cousin built the modern version of &#8220;that little old sod shanty on the plains&#8221; in Norman Oklahoma about 25 years ago; in which only one side is exposed.</p>
<p>While it is great for cooling in the summer and warmth in the winter (he also has a Franklin Stove to provide heat), trying to sell that place is a bit problematic, as he has found out &#8211; it&#8217;s like selling the land, and throwing in the house for free!</p>
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