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		<title>Comment on Egypt&#8217;s Hottest Mountain Climber Goes Carbon-Neutral by Radwa</title>
		<link>http://www.greenprophet.com/2012/02/carbon-neutral-egyptian-climber/#comment-30915</link>
		<dc:creator>Radwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go ! :) 
Good luck !</description>
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Good luck !</p>
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		<title>Comment on Israel and Palestine: The Place of Politics In The Mideast&#8217;s Environment by arwa</title>
		<link>http://www.greenprophet.com/2012/02/israel-and-palestine-the-place-of-politics-in-the-mideasts-environment/#comment-30910</link>
		<dc:creator>arwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments everyone. 

@brian Nix: you&#039;re right, we do need a balance that recognises environmental issues outside of party politics whilst also recognising that environmental solutions are applied to social and politics contexts that we just can&#039;t ignore. 

@taf: Thank your for your comment and kind remarks- I think you are the smartest and most honest and open person I know. I love you for seeing the bigger picture that is always so easy to miss X

@Bella: More open and mixed reporting is what we need- agreeing with everything you read all the time is just a sign that you have got better at ignoring the complexity of issues. Also, I do refer to Bedouins from Jordan as Jordanian Bedouins... I think you need the context.  I also think that you should respect people&#039;s wishes with regards to what they call  themselves.. If they want to be called Palestinian Bedouins that I will call them Palestinian Bedouins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments everyone. </p>
<p>@brian Nix: you&#8217;re right, we do need a balance that recognises environmental issues outside of party politics whilst also recognising that environmental solutions are applied to social and politics contexts that we just can&#8217;t ignore. </p>
<p>@taf: Thank your for your comment and kind remarks- I think you are the smartest and most honest and open person I know. I love you for seeing the bigger picture that is always so easy to miss X</p>
<p>@Bella: More open and mixed reporting is what we need- agreeing with everything you read all the time is just a sign that you have got better at ignoring the complexity of issues. Also, I do refer to Bedouins from Jordan as Jordanian Bedouins&#8230; I think you need the context.  I also think that you should respect people&#8217;s wishes with regards to what they call  themselves.. If they want to be called Palestinian Bedouins that I will call them Palestinian Bedouins.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Israel and Palestine: The Place of Politics In The Mideast&#8217;s Environment by Bella</title>
		<link>http://www.greenprophet.com/2012/02/israel-and-palestine-the-place-of-politics-in-the-mideasts-environment/#comment-30909</link>
		<dc:creator>Bella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Green Prophet is one of the very few sites that refuses to always fall into predetermined categories when reporting on the Middle East. Israel is part of this region despite the desire of some to eliminate it either literally or through delegitimization. I see no problem in reporting all opinions but to reduce the issues -- as more politicized sites do -- to the indiscriminate use of terms like Apartheid is to seriously stop the free flow of ideas.

By the way, the term &#039;Palestinian Bedouins&#039; is an example of politicization. Bedouins live throughout the Middle East and we don&#039;t refer to them as Jordanian Bedouins, Egyptian Bedouins, Syrian Bedouins...do we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Green Prophet is one of the very few sites that refuses to always fall into predetermined categories when reporting on the Middle East. Israel is part of this region despite the desire of some to eliminate it either literally or through delegitimization. I see no problem in reporting all opinions but to reduce the issues &#8212; as more politicized sites do &#8212; to the indiscriminate use of terms like Apartheid is to seriously stop the free flow of ideas.</p>
<p>By the way, the term &#8216;Palestinian Bedouins&#8217; is an example of politicization. Bedouins live throughout the Middle East and we don&#8217;t refer to them as Jordanian Bedouins, Egyptian Bedouins, Syrian Bedouins&#8230;do we?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Vegawarian Dinner by Almond Torte With Pomegranate Molasses &#8211; Weekly Vegewarian Recipe &#124; Green Prophet</title>
		<link>http://www.greenprophet.com/2009/01/vegewarianism/#comment-30908</link>
		<dc:creator>Almond Torte With Pomegranate Molasses &#8211; Weekly Vegewarian Recipe &#124; Green Prophet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vegewarian means choosing more non-meat options in your overall diet. I propose to add: let&#8217;s round this philosophy out out to include healthier options all around. For example, we don&#8217;t want to give sweet things up altogether, but let&#8217;s make desserts with reduced sugars and fats. Searching for a cake to satisfy that craving for something sweet that yet fits that description, this almond torte caught my eye (via the lovely Dinners &amp; Dreams blog). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Vegewarian means choosing more non-meat options in your overall diet. I propose to add: let&#8217;s round this philosophy out out to include healthier options all around. For example, we don&#8217;t want to give sweet things up altogether, but let&#8217;s make desserts with reduced sugars and fats. Searching for a cake to satisfy that craving for something sweet that yet fits that description, this almond torte caught my eye (via the lovely Dinners &amp; Dreams blog). [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on &quot;Waste Lb&quot; Design Company Encourages Lebanese to Waste Fewer Plastic Bags by Chic Reusable Cotton Bags Make Eco-Friendly Shopping Cool &#124; Green Prophet</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] own reusable cloth shopping bags out of materials found at home (such as t-shirts), but for others, reusable bags need to be made convenient or they won&#8217;t get used at [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Jordan&#8217;s First Nuclear Reactor: No-Go without Parliamentary Pre-approval by Laurie Balbo</title>
		<link>http://www.greenprophet.com/2012/01/jordans-first-nuclear-reactor-no-go-without-parliamentary-pre-approval/#comment-30906</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie Balbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arguments are compelling on both sides of the nuclear fence: but they distract from the Energy Elephant in our global living room: which is that we must embrace smarter ways of living and reduce our insatiable demand for more power.

No question that growth in developing nations will require increased energy production, and solutions need be identified that absolutely protect people and the environment.  But looking to expand production without exhausting conservation puts me in mind of a little kid asking for dessert before finishing their veggies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arguments are compelling on both sides of the nuclear fence: but they distract from the Energy Elephant in our global living room: which is that we must embrace smarter ways of living and reduce our insatiable demand for more power.</p>
<p>No question that growth in developing nations will require increased energy production, and solutions need be identified that absolutely protect people and the environment.  But looking to expand production without exhausting conservation puts me in mind of a little kid asking for dessert before finishing their veggies.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Israel and Palestine: The Place of Politics In The Mideast&#8217;s Environment by Tafline Laylin</title>
		<link>http://www.greenprophet.com/2012/02/israel-and-palestine-the-place-of-politics-in-the-mideasts-environment/#comment-30905</link>
		<dc:creator>Tafline Laylin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was my article that was critiqued for being naive, and I understood the sentiments of the person who said so, but in many ways your thoughts echo my own reasoning for keeping the politics - as much as possible - out of my posts. 

We live in a region that is full of so many complications that it&#039;s almost impossible to address them without some kind of incendiary response. And I don&#039;t think it&#039;s very helpful to bash people over the heads with these issues when they can read any other publication for that experience.

My role, as I see it, is to empower people to make smarter environmental choices and to demonstrate as much as possible the positive actions people are taking to heal the planet. Sometimes we have to take people to task who are ruining our land, water, and air to satisfy their own dubious desires, but mostly people will act when they feel inspired.

I recognize as much as anyone, given my extensive travels and research, how often politics gets in the way of meaningful action (and the untold social consequences that arise as a result). And I am all too aware of the economic, environmental, and social effects of bad government policy.

But I&#039;m not going to allow irresponsible people seduced by power to get in the way of my responsibility, which - as I see it - is to take care of the earth. And nor should anyone else. 

Mostly, though, I want to thank you Arwa for this thoughtful article. It is beautifully written and reasoned. People are understandably angered by the issues that matter to them in the Middle East and elsewhere. But this outstanding post helps us to get past the anger to a far more constructive place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was my article that was critiqued for being naive, and I understood the sentiments of the person who said so, but in many ways your thoughts echo my own reasoning for keeping the politics &#8211; as much as possible &#8211; out of my posts. </p>
<p>We live in a region that is full of so many complications that it&#8217;s almost impossible to address them without some kind of incendiary response. And I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s very helpful to bash people over the heads with these issues when they can read any other publication for that experience.</p>
<p>My role, as I see it, is to empower people to make smarter environmental choices and to demonstrate as much as possible the positive actions people are taking to heal the planet. Sometimes we have to take people to task who are ruining our land, water, and air to satisfy their own dubious desires, but mostly people will act when they feel inspired.</p>
<p>I recognize as much as anyone, given my extensive travels and research, how often politics gets in the way of meaningful action (and the untold social consequences that arise as a result). And I am all too aware of the economic, environmental, and social effects of bad government policy.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not going to allow irresponsible people seduced by power to get in the way of my responsibility, which &#8211; as I see it &#8211; is to take care of the earth. And nor should anyone else. </p>
<p>Mostly, though, I want to thank you Arwa for this thoughtful article. It is beautifully written and reasoned. People are understandably angered by the issues that matter to them in the Middle East and elsewhere. But this outstanding post helps us to get past the anger to a far more constructive place.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Israel and Palestine: The Place of Politics In The Mideast&#8217;s Environment by Brian Nitz</title>
		<link>http://www.greenprophet.com/2012/02/israel-and-palestine-the-place-of-politics-in-the-mideasts-environment/#comment-30891</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Nitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for writing this.  Polarization along one dimension often keeps people from realizing that they do have common interests and common goals.

We were just discussing a rough parallel problem in U.S. ecopolitics.  Speak in favor of efficiency or environmental sanity and people will assume you belong to one party (Democrats).  Opponents then use the craziest things Democrats do to attack your position.  Meanwhile people belonging to the Democratic party are automatically assumed to be green so they don&#039;t have to do anything except ask their script writer to add a few &quot;sustainable&quot; and &quot;green&quot; keywords to campaign speeches and have themselves photographed at a few tree plantings.  Environmentalism stutters along as a few sound bites in a bipolar political system rather than as a steady underlying theme.

On the other hand, if we ignore political realities and human tragedies and focus on pure environmentalism (whatever that is), people will see us as detached from the real world.  We need balance between ignoring non-green politics and allowing ourselves to be dragged into unproductive arguments over things which don&#039;t directly impact the environment.  Greenprophet has done well to maintain this difficult and delicate balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing this.  Polarization along one dimension often keeps people from realizing that they do have common interests and common goals.</p>
<p>We were just discussing a rough parallel problem in U.S. ecopolitics.  Speak in favor of efficiency or environmental sanity and people will assume you belong to one party (Democrats).  Opponents then use the craziest things Democrats do to attack your position.  Meanwhile people belonging to the Democratic party are automatically assumed to be green so they don&#8217;t have to do anything except ask their script writer to add a few &#8220;sustainable&#8221; and &#8220;green&#8221; keywords to campaign speeches and have themselves photographed at a few tree plantings.  Environmentalism stutters along as a few sound bites in a bipolar political system rather than as a steady underlying theme.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if we ignore political realities and human tragedies and focus on pure environmentalism (whatever that is), people will see us as detached from the real world.  We need balance between ignoring non-green politics and allowing ourselves to be dragged into unproductive arguments over things which don&#8217;t directly impact the environment.  Greenprophet has done well to maintain this difficult and delicate balance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jordan&#8217;s First Nuclear Reactor: No-Go without Parliamentary Pre-approval by Bahjat Tabbara</title>
		<link>http://www.greenprophet.com/2012/01/jordans-first-nuclear-reactor-no-go-without-parliamentary-pre-approval/#comment-30885</link>
		<dc:creator>Bahjat Tabbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>===================================
According to a 2011 DOE report, system levelized cost (capital+fuel+maintenance) for advanced nuclear is already higher than wind and you don’t have to worry about where to bury wind for thousands of years. Wind might not be the best solution for Jordan but solar almost certainly is.
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I am not certain who said that, the Leveliseed Cost should factor numerous issues. For example, FOAK reactors have much, much more. Moreover, if you are referring to this, 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Levelized_energy_cost_chart_1%2C_2011_DOE_report.gif


It fails on 5-scores:



1. Factor Capacity is over 90% for non-US reactors. 

2. The BWR/ABWR and ESBWR reactors have higher operating costs than PWRs, which are the global norm. In the US a combination of PWR and BWR are used.

3. US reactors (even the most modern designs) are not competitive with their competitors. Indeed, the only reason the US sold its AP1000 to China was because it was a 100% technology transfer. Chinese disatisfaction is expressed in that they intend to fund R&amp;D of larger, superior derivatives.

4. It does not take into account FOAK (First Of A Kind) costs, as one needs to produce several before economics of scale (in construction and operation) can be achieved.

5. Jordan is opting for superior reactors to those in service in the US.


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Photovoltaic was somewhat more expensive when the DOE report was published, but it won’t be for long. Photovoltaic prices per megawatt dropped 60% in the in the 4 years between 2008 and 2011. What has happened to the price of PWR Nuclear power during this time? Post Fukushima, I would imagine both the insurance costs and the safety costs have gone up.
============================================

I disagree on all of the above. To start w/Solar PV is not actually getting cheaper, &amp; the costs of even purchasing the land and space needed is simply too much. CSP (Concentrated Solar Power) has the best development potential, but still need years of development. 


============================================
The price of silicon-based photovoltaic panels stagnated for decades while the price of silicon-based computer chips plummeted. Don’t expect this to continue for long. Even if utilities can’t envisage a profitable solar power plant, their customers will soon be able to produce electricity for less than the utility rate. Photovoltaic already beats utility rates in parts of the U.S. where electricity is relatively cheap and skies are relatively cloudy. There are two other significant parallels between the PC revolution and the future of photovoltaics. The first is that like coal and nuclear utilities, pre-1975 computers were centralized behemoths. Computer Pioneer Thomas Watson famously said, “I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.” and Ken Olson, founder of the now defunct DEC computer company said, “There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.” I don’t want a nuclear power plant in my house and I certainly don’t want a coal plant. But solar…

The other parallel with computer technology is that photovoltaic panels are now being mass produced in China.
===================================


Solar PV is simply not feasible and is technically too challenging to put on a grid. It is useful for micro-applications, but lacks the potential for macro-usage.




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There may be parts of the world where conventional PWR and BWR reactors still make sense. But they should be built to survive 100 year floods and earthquakes. Jordan is one of those places where conventional fission is unlikely to make economic sense even five years in the future. But the sad truth is that what seems the easiest path today is seldom the path which will convey wisdom to our grandchildren.
===================================


I have to disagree w/that statement because Jordan&#039;s capacity for CSP (Concentrated Solar Power) and Wind have not been exploited; but even if they were, they would not solve the energy deficit. Moreover, it does not consider the fact that while Solar PV is cheap (especially CPV) is relatively competitive to highly priced oil and gas, its space requirements results in diseconomies of scale.

To make matters worse, their factor capacities (availability) are only 30-35% versus 90-95% for nuclear, and over 99% for CSP (Concentrated Solar Power) alas, CSP&#039;s main problem is very high operating costs as the technology is not mature enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>===================================<br />
According to a 2011 DOE report, system levelized cost (capital+fuel+maintenance) for advanced nuclear is already higher than wind and you don’t have to worry about where to bury wind for thousands of years. Wind might not be the best solution for Jordan but solar almost certainly is.<br />
===================================</p>
<p>I am not certain who said that, the Leveliseed Cost should factor numerous issues. For example, FOAK reactors have much, much more. Moreover, if you are referring to this, </p>
<p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Levelized_energy_cost_chart_1%2C_2011_DOE_report.gif" rel="nofollow">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Levelized_energy_cost_chart_1%2C_2011_DOE_report.gif</a></p>
<p>It fails on 5-scores:</p>
<p>1. Factor Capacity is over 90% for non-US reactors. </p>
<p>2. The BWR/ABWR and ESBWR reactors have higher operating costs than PWRs, which are the global norm. In the US a combination of PWR and BWR are used.</p>
<p>3. US reactors (even the most modern designs) are not competitive with their competitors. Indeed, the only reason the US sold its AP1000 to China was because it was a 100% technology transfer. Chinese disatisfaction is expressed in that they intend to fund R&amp;D of larger, superior derivatives.</p>
<p>4. It does not take into account FOAK (First Of A Kind) costs, as one needs to produce several before economics of scale (in construction and operation) can be achieved.</p>
<p>5. Jordan is opting for superior reactors to those in service in the US.</p>
<p>============================================<br />
Photovoltaic was somewhat more expensive when the DOE report was published, but it won’t be for long. Photovoltaic prices per megawatt dropped 60% in the in the 4 years between 2008 and 2011. What has happened to the price of PWR Nuclear power during this time? Post Fukushima, I would imagine both the insurance costs and the safety costs have gone up.<br />
============================================</p>
<p>I disagree on all of the above. To start w/Solar PV is not actually getting cheaper, &amp; the costs of even purchasing the land and space needed is simply too much. CSP (Concentrated Solar Power) has the best development potential, but still need years of development. </p>
<p>============================================<br />
The price of silicon-based photovoltaic panels stagnated for decades while the price of silicon-based computer chips plummeted. Don’t expect this to continue for long. Even if utilities can’t envisage a profitable solar power plant, their customers will soon be able to produce electricity for less than the utility rate. Photovoltaic already beats utility rates in parts of the U.S. where electricity is relatively cheap and skies are relatively cloudy. There are two other significant parallels between the PC revolution and the future of photovoltaics. The first is that like coal and nuclear utilities, pre-1975 computers were centralized behemoths. Computer Pioneer Thomas Watson famously said, “I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.” and Ken Olson, founder of the now defunct DEC computer company said, “There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.” I don’t want a nuclear power plant in my house and I certainly don’t want a coal plant. But solar…</p>
<p>The other parallel with computer technology is that photovoltaic panels are now being mass produced in China.<br />
===================================</p>
<p>Solar PV is simply not feasible and is technically too challenging to put on a grid. It is useful for micro-applications, but lacks the potential for macro-usage.</p>
<p>===================================<br />
There may be parts of the world where conventional PWR and BWR reactors still make sense. But they should be built to survive 100 year floods and earthquakes. Jordan is one of those places where conventional fission is unlikely to make economic sense even five years in the future. But the sad truth is that what seems the easiest path today is seldom the path which will convey wisdom to our grandchildren.<br />
===================================</p>
<p>I have to disagree w/that statement because Jordan&#8217;s capacity for CSP (Concentrated Solar Power) and Wind have not been exploited; but even if they were, they would not solve the energy deficit. Moreover, it does not consider the fact that while Solar PV is cheap (especially CPV) is relatively competitive to highly priced oil and gas, its space requirements results in diseconomies of scale.</p>
<p>To make matters worse, their factor capacities (availability) are only 30-35% versus 90-95% for nuclear, and over 99% for CSP (Concentrated Solar Power) alas, CSP&#8217;s main problem is very high operating costs as the technology is not mature enough.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Egypt&#039;s Anti-Smuggling Wall Will Cause Major Damage to Gaza&#039;s Aquifer by Israel and Palestine: The Place of Politics In The Mideast&#8217;s Environment &#124; Green Prophet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel and Palestine: The Place of Politics In The Mideast&#8217;s Environment &#124; Green Prophet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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