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A $208 Z5 Retrofit By Israeli Wunderkind Saves Emissions And 40% Gas

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If you could spend $208 on a small device that fitted to your car engine, saving you up to 40 percent on your gas consumption, the earth from pollution, and which also gave your car more power, you’d think it was too good to be true, right? Well this is exactly the promise of a new invention, the Z5, devised by an Israeli teenager Zion Badash when he was only 16.

After two years in the works, Badash started selling his device a few months ago, with road tests to prove it. Car manufacturers around the world are lining up for stakes in this wunderkind’s new device.

Badash came up with the idea while he was walking down a smoggy street in Tel Aviv one day, and noticed all the pollution belching out of the cars. “That bothered me,” he tells ISRAEL21c. He hadn’t even started studying for his driving license at that time, and had no idea about the cost of fuel. It was the environmental cost of pollution that put his gears in motion.

Less fuel, more power, slashes emissions

“Especially being a young kid, I had no idea what was the cost of gas or the fuel consumption for regular cars,” says Badash, now 18. “I realized if [the solution] comes before the combustion itself, the effect will not only be on emissions — it will also affect emissions, save fuel and make the more car powerful,” the young brainiac continues.

Of course, more energy savings is “a big and important effect,” he says, but it “wasn’t my main concern.”

Though Badash learned physics at high school and is already doing math at university courses, the knowledge he needed to come up with the special metal alloys in his device didn’t come from either of these places. “I realized that there has to be something with all the technologies around us that isn’t done, that could be,” he says.

The device he developed changes — for a fraction of a second — the way air behaves when going into the combustion chamber. This change allows the engine to use air more efficiently, saving fuel and giving more thrust at the same time.

After developing the prototype of the Z5, Badash went on to found a three-man company. It’s a family business run by Badash’s brother-in-law Eli Mor, with headquarters in Tel Aviv and a manufacturing and distribution outlet in Turkey. The Z5 is now available through mail order via the company website, and already thousands of units have been sold so far.

Car manufacturers look to Badash

All of the world’s large car manufacturers have been in contact with Mor, he tells ISRAEL21c. They are looking for ways it can be fitted directly into their vehicles. “Ford, Mazda, all the large companies have been in contact with us, and we are in talks with them,” says Mor, who sees the environment as the main priority for the business: “This is the top of the work. We don’t look at fluctuating gas prices.”

What the alloy is made from is a secret, of course, and Badash admits he isn’t quite sure how it works, but road tests on emissions show that it certainly does work. It can be fitted to new cars, or old ones, diesel, hybrid, buses — basically any combustion engine, even power plants – says Badash, who is about to be recruited to the army.

“Using it in an open combustion chamber brings a maximum effect. You can see fuel consumption [go down] very clearly,” he says. “It can be used everywhere. I am not exaggerating,” says the teen convincingly, pointing to the company’s website and recent emissions monitoring done by the authorities in Israel.

Fitted onto the air filter that goes to the combustion chambers, the Z5 is as easy to use as changing a tire. And for $208, this teen may be onto something that could revolutionize the auto industry. His brother-in-law seems to think so. He thinks Badash should win a Nobel Prize for the Z5.

Update: Green Prophet spent an afternoon at the garage seeing how and if the Z5 works. According to what we saw during the emissions tests, it does. Click on the story the Z5 Passes Emissions Tests To Cut Pollution here. The company also provided us with some test results from France. 

::Z5 website

(This article was reprinted with permission from ISRAEL21c www.israel21c.org.)

59 Responses to “A $208 Z5 Retrofit By Israeli Wunderkind Saves Emissions And 40% Gas”

Saving fuel here • April 27th, 2009 • 10:14 pm

We have collected some interesting fuel saving devices and ways to help at our website http://www.alternative-fuel.daysauto.com/.

I’d love to add this teenagers invention of the air treatment device to our remedies for high fuel costs.

The trouble is that the oil companies do not want this kind of information out on the public market because it will eat into their pocket books. We are their cash cows. They will buy it up and hide it. Or they will kill those involved to keep any fuel saving device off the market. It is not about saving our planet and keep it green. It is about money!

We can pray for the evil ones and send them Light to help wake them up — that we are all one!

DsCsIiI • April 30th, 2009 • 9:12 pm

Saving fuel here:

Whether the oil companies want it or not, it is already BEING marketed. They can’t buy it and hide it. All somebody has to do is backward engineer it now. It is aready too late to kill this kid. It is done. I swear, if I hear yet ANOTHER oil-company-conspiracy-buy-the-product-and-hide-it-murder-the-guy-who-made-his-care-run-on-water myth, I may hunt down and kill the author of it myself- never mind the evil oil companies….

Please, get a grip. This kind of ridiculous paranoia will make you dysfunctional.

David • May 7th, 2009 • 4:59 pm

Hello everyone !!!
This product is the real thing. It was tested both on emission tests and on the road. As you read above there are a lot of reasons why this product is different and better from the rest of similar products around.
No only is it really good for the environment but it saves you and gas and makes your engine work more efficiently. We give you a 30 day money back guarantee, We do that to make sure you as a consumer feel we can be trusted and that we stand behind our product.
If you have any questions or if you need more information you can give me a call at 416-455-0642 or email at canada@z55555.com

Try this new invention. Help yourself and the environment

Karin Kloosterman • June 1st, 2009 • 10:35 pm

We’ve had some distressing readers comments that this might be a scam. If any readers have tried the Z5 and have satisfactory or unsatisfactory results, please let us know. – Karin

Jens Bjorlin • June 3rd, 2009 • 5:47 pm

I mounted my Z5 into my Ford Mondeo 1996 and the first reaction was that it gave me another driving experience, almost as I was floating forward on the road.
Also I noticed not having to push the gas pedal down as hard as before to accelerate. In the same manner the car also holds its speed during longer time after You have taken your foot off the gas pedal.
The car is also stronger during acceleration and has better enduring power on the gears.

It works

Jens of Sweden

Andras • June 13th, 2009 • 12:59 am

Dear Jens,

and does the car sometimes go by itself? Even without running the engine or what?
A device like this Z5 has nothing to do with that your car retains its speed for more time after you step down the gas pedal. Please THINK! When you step down the gas pedal, the engine will NOT move the car, so how would this thing help keeping its speed?!

Sorry for being pessimistic.

You know: “Devices should work – people think.
People should think – devices say.”

Bye,
Andras

Some Honkey • June 13th, 2009 • 1:09 pm

If this is genuine, why isn’t there a website selling them? This article is from late April, so you’d think by now you would be able to order them online. It seems like a billion dollar idea, so I can’t figure why they wouldn’t be selling them globally by now. (And it wouldn’t be hard to find investors to facilitate the production/distribution if the device is truly as effective as this article claims)

I’m not claiming outright that it’s a hoax, but the notion that the invention of the century isn’t being produced on a large scale seems a bit dubious.

Some Honkey • June 13th, 2009 • 1:23 pm

One thing I don’t understand is that the inventor talks about having to test out different alloys before coming up with the right one. He implies that the efficacy of the device depends on the type of metal comprising it. Since the device is basically a modified air-intake valve, and there don’t appear to be any moving parts (fans, motors, etc…), the only relevant aspect of the device should be its geometry.

If you create two identically shaped nozzles, one made of steel and one made of iron, air will flow through the two nozzles identically. Only the shape of the nozzle, and not the type of metal comprising the nozzle, has an effect on the behavior of the air as it passes through.

Again, I can’t say for sure that this is a hoax, but I find it hard to believe that a monumental discovery is only being discussed on a handful of websites like this one. One would think there would be at the very least a wikipedia page by now.

tina_f • June 13th, 2009 • 11:50 pm

hi to all

i only want to say that it’s work i get it as a present from my husband and my car pull better than before.

and now i arrived to the gas station evrey 20 days insted 15 days.

thank you

Jens Bjorlin • June 15th, 2009 • 11:06 am

When it comes to alloys of metal it is workong today in every cars catalysator, where alloy of metals like platina/palladium/rhodium works together to speed up the reaction whith the exhaust, observe that the catalysator itself is not a filter or having movable parts, its function is to start a reaction but it is not itself affected of the reaction. Z5 is not a filter or having movable parts, its function is to create a reaction but it is not itself affected of the reaction.

Fladder • July 1st, 2009 • 6:02 pm

I just love how this product changes the RPM of the engine @ 110km/h (approx 65 mph) from 3000 down to 2700 From their hompage in swedish http://www.z5nordic.se/viewNavMenu.do?menuID=15 at the bottom, it says “Varvtalet vid hastighet 110 km/h gick ner från ca 3000 till 2700 RPN”.

Wow, it actually changes the gear ratios of the gear box or the rear axle! That’s… that’s magic! And magic does exist, doesn’t it? No, id doesn’t. Smells like a hoax. Or, if you sell it – fraud.

shaun lamont • July 21st, 2009 • 11:50 pm

SCAM SCAM SCAM

if any of these air turbines, vortice shedders, etc, really worked, then race cars would have them fitted, and they would be on your car direct from factory

SCAM SCAM SCAM

Karin Kloosterman • July 22nd, 2009 • 8:31 am

The company, when I interviewed them, said that they had offers from car companies, but the price per piece that the company was willing to pay wasn’t enough. It’s easy to jump to conclusions to say it’s a scam when you haven’t tried something. Take note, a reader comment says that Z5 returns money, but only 59% of it, not including their shipping and handling fees.

Here: http://greenprophet.com/2009/07/10/10395/testing-emissions-power-z5/

The reader bought it, didn’t try it, and wanted their money back. This could be the reason. I am still waiting for Gal Luft to do the gas savings test, before posting more.

mike s. • August 15th, 2009 • 6:04 am

SCAM. This is such an obvious crock it’s laughable. BTW, I have marketed a gadget that you attach to the exhaust pipe, and then your car recycles all the heat coming out and turns it back into energy. My car now gets an infinite miles per gallon, as all energy is recycled.
The only problem is that it is made of a special alloy that can only be fabricated from molybdenum-manganese nodules found at the bottom of the Marianas Trench, so the cost per unit also approaches infinity. The makers of the Yugo and the Edsel have expressed interest in installing the gadget in their 2010 models.

Wolfdietrich Frh. v. Loeffelholz • August 19th, 2009 • 10:19 am

Dear Sirs,

my only question:

Is this device availabel for motorcykles?

Greetings! Frh. v. Loeffelholz

Norman • September 12th, 2009 • 7:25 pm

I have a new Z5 insaled inmy 2 liter Clarus. – Amazing results

Will take 2 more for a 2 liter Ford and 1.6L Mitsubishi!!

It is a new way of handling the power crisis and enhancing my privet “fortune ”

Norman

Darkhoodness • September 22nd, 2009 • 1:39 pm

I’ve spent many an hour researching and digging up as much information as I can about the Z5 – As much as I want it to be real (And I REALLY do want it to be real – the press and various test results not found on the Z5 wesbite indicate that it is), I’m still incredibly sceptical. Especailly considering the claims of it being made from “A secret alloy” despite it being patented, and the inventor himself not being sure how it works.

Still, I heard about it from a friend that I know personally, and he is getting it for his vehicle (He found the model through me and I know a lot about his particular car, and also know that it is quite a bit heavy on fuel consumption), so I’ll have to see for myself I suppose. There is a chance that the people who have said that it didn’t work for them may not of had it fitted properly.

Karin Kloosterman • September 22nd, 2009 • 3:02 pm

Darkhoodness, please keep us updated. Based at what I saw in the garage, it takes a bit of know how to install it correctly. Not knowing why something works shouldn’t be a reason for it to not be used. There are a number of pharmaceuticals including cancer drugs which doctors can’t explain why they work against cancer, but they do. It’s usually try and error in the drug developing field and when something works, the drug developers try and find out why. This could be the case with the Z5. I still haven’t seen tests on emissions from a credible source and am waiting…

Darkhoodness • September 23rd, 2009 • 5:38 pm

Hehe, I think mechanics and drugs are a little bit different from each other. Then again it’s all about chemical reactions (’cause that’s the only credible way that I see how the Z5 could possibly work), so perhaps you have a point.

My friend is driving here to the UK from Germany this week – He says he got the Z5 fitted a couple of days ago and has driven 40 km with it. He says he hasn’t noticed much of a difference in performance yet but has noted how much fuel his car normally uses, and is keeping track of how much it uses with the Z5.

His journey to here is 1800km or so – It should start making a difference by then, if what the Z5 people say is true. If we find out that it doesn’t do anything, I intend to take photos of his installation then send it to the Z5 company and ask why it isn’t working, then see what answers they give (rather than simply going “OMG IT DOESNT WORK! LOLZ SCAM!!1111″ and sending it back). That’s if it doesn’t work though. :P Here’s to hoping it does.

Still, watch this space. I’ll post another comment once I find out some real results, I suppose.

As a side note, someone (who normally sells keychains and t-shirts, lol) is selling the Z5 off on eBay. 15 have been sold, but the bidding history and winning bids are kept private. Nobody has left negative feedback to the seller. Some positive feedback is close to or matches the selling dates of the Z5 while also seem to be referring to it (“Very fast shipping. Item as-is. Gloves and clamps were missing from box though.”), and are also listed as private where his other sold items aren’t private, so I just put 2 and 2 together.

Sure, it proves nothing, and it’s not very much to go on, but it is a good sign. If a little weird (haha, the most conclusive evidence for the Z5 not being a hoax that I can find without trying it myself is eBay feedback. Isn’t that fantastic? :D). It’s more credible than the many forum topics I found with a bunch of nay-sayers slagging it off even though they haven’t tried it. If you want to look yourself I won’t post the URL here just in case I get accused of advertising – But you can still google “Z5 fuel saver ebay” and click the first result. The seller’s name is “jerusalemkippah”.

Darkhoodness • October 2nd, 2009 • 2:19 am

Okay, another update (bit long-winded again, sorry – I’ll post it in 2 parts):

So my friend has come to the UK from Germany. He says that the Z5 doesn’t do very much – If anything. He even took it out, had it re-adjusted and put back in again, but to no avial.

Thinking about it though, it doesn’t actually make a lot of sense to me. I mean how can you make air cleaner so that it burns fuel more efficiently while giving more power? With a PATENTED device made from a “secret alloy”?

My friend says that he’s still gonna leave it in his car and see what it does after a long period of time, then see if it will actually start being effective – Although I doubt it. I’m quite tempted to email Z5 on his behalf (he can’t be bothered to do it himself – If only I could be that lax with my money) and ask them why thier product doesn’t work.

I’ve also read this, which has convinced me: http://www.fuelsaving.info/debunk.htm
The person who wrote this seems to have a pretty solid argument. Car companies would give thier arm, leg and firstborn to get this much effeciency from such a simple, bolt-on device. It’s been a few months, and there’s been no further Z5 tests, and no further news from the Z5 website.

Darkhoodness • October 2nd, 2009 • 2:22 am

(And part 2, the PHP didn’t like it when it was so long)

Also, a sceptic called James Randi is offering $1,000,000 to anyone who can prove thier fuel saving device works (He’s also offering it to “anyone who can demonstrate a supernatural ability under agreed-upon scientific testing criteria.”). Maybe Zion Badash ought to contact him and try his luck. :)

YouTube video describing his challenge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zX2pHg-2_I
Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi

I’m not going to say the Z5 doesn’t work or is a scam – I can’t prove that it doesn’t work, no more than I can prove that it does. However the only things now that will make me believe that it works will be:

* Zion Badash actually wins James Randi’s $1,000,000 challenge
* My friend suddenly or gradually sees a drastic change in the performance and economy of his car (2000 kms with the Z5 and so far nothing)
* Zion Badash’s device appears widely on international news
* Proper scientific tests from viable sources are carried out which prove that it works, rather than just MOT tests from testing stations that Z5 chose
* The car companies actually implement the Z5 into thier production lines and publicly broadcast it

In the mean time, here’s a real, proven way of saving fuel (Hybrid 150 MPG version comming soon, 4-door, 4 wheeler car currently being designed – And I swear this car will pay for itself in the long run):
http://www.aptera.com/

Or even better and more affordable (But not as safe – Better than a moped though):
http://ohmcycles.com/

Hope what I said was informative. Make up your own mind. :) If I ever decide to e-mail Z5 and ask, maybe I’ll post the results.

planetgonenuts • December 11th, 2009 • 9:50 pm

More bs. The elites constantly have “front boys” that they use to stand in front of the camera and claim they discovered something that all the kings horses and all the kings men in those very industries and after hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent and they could find the answer but this young punk came up with the solution which employs an “exotic” metal and of course surrounds the whole climate change-global warming-anthropogenic LIE. If you believe this and the meriad of other claims by front men rednecks for the NWO, I have some sea front property in Switzerland that you might want to take a look at.

planetgonenuts • December 11th, 2009 • 9:54 pm

Let me reiterate; “More bs. The elites constantly have “front boys” that they use to stand in front of the camera and claim they discovered something that all the kings horses and all the kings men in those very industries and after spending hundreds of millions of dollars could NOT find the answer but this young punk came up with the solution which employs an “exotic” metal and of course rthe whole idea surrounds the whole climate change-global warming-anthropogenic LIE. If you believe this and the meriad of other claims by front men rednecks for the NWO, I have some sea front property in Switzerland that you might want to take a look at.”

theorem • December 12th, 2009 • 5:03 am

I don't believe it. Something very fishy here. The kid says he doesn't know how it works and its operation depends on a secret alloy. What, he just dreamed it all up one day with no idea what he was dreaming up? Secret alloy and all? Just figured out how to make it and apply it with no idea what he was doing? BS. Wanna buy a bridge?

Steve7777 • December 12th, 2009 • 5:31 am

Im sorry, but the Z5 looks suspiciously like the infamous ” tornado” which did not work at ALL.why do i get the feeling that this is just another scam? Media hype IMO.And BTW, “tornado” passed emission test too. (Gee, its just a piece of metal inside your intake… anything will pass emission test there. And i dont buy the “testimonials” from our readership. I want independent lab test results which prove this works. Come one people! its your hard earned 208 dollars! dont throw it away!

anthonypalange • December 12th, 2009 • 11:08 am

it look like what has been selling in america for years called tornado fuel saver the only diffence they say its made from a secrete alloy sounds like bs to me

anthonypalange • December 12th, 2009 • 11:10 am

its tornado fuel sver sold in america fo years now say itd made from a secreate alloy sounds like bs to me

RipplingBeast • December 12th, 2009 • 11:38 am

Fraud and lies. That unit in the boy's hand is a Tornado Fuel Saver, which produces exactly the fuel and power gains advertised, and looks, wonder of wonders, exactly like the item in his hand. Plus, there's no way to produce something of a “secret alloy” without a metallurgical shop backing you, which the boy's story does not contain. You don't develop alloys in your garage, folks. They require, at the very minimum, a smelter and foundry. This is simple theft of an existing product, marketed where the owners of the rights to that product were unlikely to find out about it.

planetgonenuts • December 12th, 2009 • 11:40 am

Do you know what kind of knowledge in engineering, turbine and flow characteristic/analysis and metallurgy you need to design and the YET MANUFACTURE such a device. Can you IMAGINE the cost to develope such product and yet this ice cream licking “teen” figured that all out by bending cardboard while watching another episode of the Simpsons. Just like recently on American TV they featured these two yahoos that talked like rednecks and yet were PEDDLED to the public that in their garage they designed/engineered and fabricated a completely remote controlled high speed almost full size tank that the US army is very interested well…if you have any critical thought in you..to understand the type of engineering it would take, to simply calculate the loads on ONE BOLT of this “marvel of murderous mechanical engineering” then you would simply file this as simply yet another “dream-story” by the manipulators of our minds. This reality is a FABRICATED ILLUSION of the mind of some very SICK PEOPLE (monsters).

davidmlane • December 12th, 2009 • 12:14 pm

What could a piece of metal do to the air that would change the stoichiometic ratio of the fuel in order to inprove the combustion?

Duuuuuuuh • December 12th, 2009 • 3:51 pm

WOW! Made from a “Special Metal Alloy.” Maybe I can get my Secret Decoder Ring coated with it and it'll let me receive messages from “THEM,” and I'll know when they're going to beam down again.

Patrick Sullivan • December 12th, 2009 • 6:20 pm

The electrical state of the metals is the clue. One metal absorbs an excess amount of heavy particles (Full spin) associated with the electrical field, and the other metal absorbs the light mass (Half spin) particles. This produces a destabilization in the electric field that causes a clock rate variation to occur between the two different mass (And spin) quantities of the combined electric fields.This causes one part of the electric field to become displaced within the time space continuum. The static inertial fields of the planet are then energized to maintain the full spin particles angular quantum electronic momentum that interact with the standing wave produced by the gyroscopic effect of the particle spin.GEET technology uses a similar type of method to produce free energy. Static field technology it is called. The over unity energy is being drawn from the surrounding combined electro-magnetic fields of the planet, though the energy itself draws upon the total mass of the universe. Accelerated particles of light mass undergo a clock rate variation. Early descriptions used the term “Electron drag.” The Earth is in motion at 18.5 miles per second. The difference in clock rate of particles causes the distance between the light and heavy mass fields to separate causing the static field to energize causing the to recombine. The recombination energy is from the power of the Cosmos.

DA MAO • December 12th, 2009 • 8:14 pm

Gee, he designed something already patented and manufactured and similar to nearly ten thousand other devices created by non-jewish persons bought by the auto-majors and put in a closet. I am beside myself with joy that it is so important to write articles about jews doing things. Australian Joe put a video on youtube FIVE YEARS AGO showing you how to run a car on water with minimal machine shop equipment and $20.00's in parts. The Joe-Fuel Cell ran 450 miles on two gallons of gas and one gallon of water.

Karin Kloosterman • December 12th, 2009 • 10:57 pm

I still never saw any fuel efficiency tests, or test results from an independent lab. I think that the Z5 company is losing face by not getting these done. Or maybe the jig will be up? I saw emissions testing with my own eyes and it looked legitimate. It really did. Not every positive effect needs to be explained. But it would add credibility to the company's name if they took proving the science behind the Z5 more seriously. If you've tried it and feel you've been duped, I have the company manager's cell phone and personal email. The company guarantees money back -not including shipping fees, including in the price…-Karin

Seth • December 13th, 2009 • 12:57 am

Wow, do they really think no one has seen this before? Rip off an old Tornado design that sells for $39, and mark it up to a on-sale jewish $208. Now that takes balls. What a scam.

mayor_pufnstuf • December 14th, 2009 • 4:20 pm

I'll remain highly suspicious of these efficiency claims until this product is tested by an independent, reputable consumer product testing laboratory. Anecdotal evidence from the inventors and vague claims to the effect of “one person installed the product in their car…” just won't cut it.The entire premise of the device is suspect. Certainly, as someone already pointed out, alloys are used in catalytic converters to change the composition of exhaust fumes. But, firstly, converters require heat to operate efficiently. Secondly, they must be densely packed with the catalyzing alloy, causing near-absolute contact between the surface of the alloy and the gases of the exhaust. Lastly, the composition of the gases can only be manipulated by adding elements to the composition of the gases, or removing elements.The Z5 claims to effect the composition of the air molecules, in turn producing great efficiency improvements. A fin design seems terribly inefficient when talking about changing the composition of gases by surface contact. By volume, a tiny portion of the air molecules passing through will come in contact with the fins. The rest would pass through unimpeded. These are awfully dramatic efficiency improvements for the relatively small amount of air that could possibly come in contact with the alloy as designed. Furthermore, how exactly is the product changing the composition of the air, while also never requiring replacement? Elements would either have to be removed from, or added to, the composition to effect that change. In either case, the product would eventually reach an end of life. Either it would become saturated with the elements it is removing, or exhausted of the elements it is adding. I'm also suspect that the patent claims that the entire device can be made of copper, which is exactly what the example in the video appears to consist of from outward appearances. The magical alloy is not described in the patent at all. It seems obvious that the alloy is the key to the invention, and therefore more deserving of a patent than a silly cylinder with a star-pattern embedded within. There are a plethora of alloy patents in existence, all of which describe the metals/materials composing the alloy and the percentages of those materials in relation to the total. Why, then, in this case is there a 'secret' alloy involved? It wouldn't be difficult to have the material analyzed for it's composition. And considering that it's composition is not described in the patent, I could then use the same alloy in the manufacture of my device. Hmmmm…. Indeed, it would have to be truly magical…

soundwash • December 17th, 2009 • 12:23 pm

No secret Alloy needed..(that's just to keep youthinking you cant figure it out)This is simple Torsion/Vortex Physics in play,This knowledge [for ICE] has been around sincethe 1900's..Torsion/Vortex physics are how the universe works.(the norway spiral is another example)(it's also why they do not teach these physics)Search old patents…-s

soundwash • December 17th, 2009 • 7:23 pm

No secret Alloy needed..(that's just to keep youthinking you cant figure it out)This is simple Torsion/Vortex Physics in play,This knowledge [for ICE] has been around sincethe 1900's..Torsion/Vortex physics are how the universe works.(the norway spiral is another example)(it's also why they do not teach these physics)Search old patents…-s

Car Parts • December 20th, 2009 • 6:44 pm

It's great to see something like this actually make headlines. I only hope this makes it into production, and not just some blueprint thrown in the waste can along with the other advances deemed to prohibitive for manufacturing.

Car Parts • December 20th, 2009 • 8:44 pm

It's great to see something like this actually make headlines. I only hope this makes it into production, and not just some blueprint thrown in the waste can along with the other advances deemed to prohibitive for manufacturing.

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